tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post6942247259537470385..comments2023-10-01T11:14:14.368-04:00Comments on The Egg Baron: Living Story UpdatePhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06525149260217843564noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-39527548105481203222013-02-14T19:05:29.219-05:002013-02-14T19:05:29.219-05:00Just a minor lore correction, the titans and the d...Just a minor lore correction, the titans and the destroyers are no the same thing. The titans were minions of Abaddon, the fallen human god, and were created from tormented souls in the Realm of Torment, the place in the Mists where Abaddon was locked up. Destroyers are Primordus' minions. Unlike the risen, the icebrood and the branded they are not corrupted from organic material, but formed from rock and lava, made to resemble living creatures.<br /><br />The Flame started worshipping titans about 200 years before the start of Guild Wars 1, and stopped doing so at the end of the Nightfall campaign, when Abaddon was defeated. A few years after that (before the Eye of the North expansion) they started worshipping the destroyers instead in hopes to retain the weakening grasp the shaman caste had over the charr population. However, according to the Charr article on the GW1 wiki this seems to have been a short relationship. Today the Flame Legion only worships their imperator Gaheron Baelfire as their god.<br /><br /><br />But anyway, back on topic, I really like your theory. I now really hope for an underground map of some sort that explores the depths beneath the mountain. That would be really cool. Although I probably should not get my hopes up.Raiiznnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-36641550279520449312013-02-14T15:30:38.322-05:002013-02-14T15:30:38.322-05:00The more I think about this the more I think a com...The more I think about this the more I think a combination of your ideas and the "unknown" poster below are correct. The more I research these ideas the more I learn that the area was full of underground caves in GW1. It seems this was a major nexus for the Asura, and Dwarves, and where there were Dwares there were also their Dredge slaves. Opening up entrances to these underground areas that we know have to be there seems like a very logical next step.<br /><br />I went to the location you mentioned and boy is that interesting. That has got to be involved some how....<br /><br />Damn I really think you guys are right. I think we will be entering Tyria under belly shortly.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06525149260217843564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-87380751671449284992013-02-14T04:59:24.466-05:002013-02-14T04:59:24.466-05:00Also, I would like to add another possible clue th...Also, I would like to add another possible clue that has been in the game since launch. If you go to the Ruins of Rin in the Black Citadel map, and just travel west to the PoI, you'll see large fiery spikes that look very much like Destroyer skin (but they do also look like Flame Citadel too). These spikes act as a gate to a closed off entrance to a cave. The PoI itself is called "Abandoned Caverns: Access Prohibited" or something similar.<br /><br />If they did go with underground maps, there could easily be an entrance in Black Citadel, one in Diessa and one in Wayfarer. Even one map could cover all 3 of those entrances.<br /><br />But like I'm saying, this is pure speculation and at the moment, has probably less grounds than your theory.JayRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-29167954769167157822013-02-13T23:55:55.477-05:002013-02-13T23:55:55.477-05:00That is awfully close isn't it... I never play...That is awfully close isn't it... I never played GW1 so I had to do some research on this. I found this map of the GW1 Tyria on the GW1wiki.<br /><br />http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/a/a2/Tyria_world_fan_map_%28freestyle%29.jpg<br /><br />If you open up your map in game to compare you can see what "Unknown" means in his post above. Nolani is the town on Nolan in Diessa Plateau just north of the Black Citadel. That would put the "steaming mountain" very close to where Primordus is marked on the GW1 map. That is really interesting.<br /><br />I think this theory may be my new favourite. Thanks a lot for sharing your ideas.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06525149260217843564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-85393108389408878912013-02-13T23:37:14.731-05:002013-02-13T23:37:14.731-05:00Good points. I guess the Norn and the Charr can be...Good points. I guess the Norn and the Charr can be blamed for simply blaming past enemies. We really do not have anything concrete yet.<br /><br />I like the idea of the underground maps. I was thinking something similar. Since that new camp was built in Wayfarer I was thinking eventually something would kick off there like a dungeon, or an NPC for an event, or an entrance to an underground level as you have suggested.<br /><br />I love the speculation! Hopefully we can something more concrete soon so help us figure this out.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06525149260217843564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-61086154035701810642013-02-13T17:57:21.543-05:002013-02-13T17:57:21.543-05:00I've looked through a lot of different maps of...I've looked through a lot of different maps of Tyria and one thing that has seemed to be consistent throughout my search was the fact that the location of the Central Transfer Chamber (the place in the Depths of Tyria where Primordus woke up at the end of Eye of the North) is almost exactly under the general area of that "steaming mountain" in northeastern Wayfarer Foothills and northwestern Diessa Plateau.<br /><br />I know that ArenaNet has said that there would be no appearance of any Elder Dragon, but that does not rule out any indirect relationship between the Dragons and this event.<br /><br />My theory is that "something" is happening deep beneath that mountain, possibly Primordus and his Titan horde amassing for some future assault perhaps. <br /><br />Also, the Dredge and the Flame Legion, or some smaller faction within the two groups, may have allied together for some sinister purpose.<br /><br />The Dredge do have their vendetta against the Dwarves, who may still be fighting with the Titan destroyers of Primordus in the Depths, and the Flame Legion did believe the Titans to be their gods at one point (or they still do...).<br /><br />Perhaps, the Dredge and Flame Legion have joined forces with Primordus, who may have promised the destruction of the dwarves and the resurrection of Geherron Baelfire in exchange.<br /><br />Just a theory.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04862100606861933463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-88073509309854128492013-02-13T14:26:04.420-05:002013-02-13T14:26:04.420-05:00Is it possible that it is in fact Primordus relate...Is it possible that it is in fact Primordus related anyway?<br /><br />The Norn who mentions the dredge specifically says she didn't see any actual Dredge.. "Someone shouted DREDGE" but she didn't see them herself.. And they were attacked with fire.. That isn't like the dredge. So they were attacked from the ground by a mystery something that utilises fire. [Fire - Earth]<br /><br />And the Charr would naturally assume any fire attacks are Gold Legion and blame them anyway. No logic needed here at all, really. [Fire]<br /><br />If I had to guess, I think it might be likely that they will add 1, 2 or 3 underground maps (as big as current World Maps, but with a ceiling sky box) with entrances in Wayfarer and Diessa - this would open the door to some more Destroyer involvement (you don't see them very often compared to the other three dragons yet), possibly abandoned Dwarf towns, possibly ancient Asura locations - but most importantly a Primordus Dragon Champion event to go with the other three.JayRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-76328387188886824282013-02-12T15:12:10.419-05:002013-02-12T15:12:10.419-05:00Glad you liked my post :D
I think you are right a...Glad you liked my post :D<br /><br />I think you are right about the frozen merchant. Those injuries seem consistent with some sort of shock wave. That plus the burn marks means flame throwing dredge or some sort of explosion IMO. The other possibility is that the body has been there for a LONG time and has just recently thawed out.<br /><br />On the Destroyer front, I heard this theory as well, but I heard it in relation to the Sorrow's Embrace theory. I was told dredge were attempting to control destroyers with the help of the Inquest. Further research into that revealed that destroyers are not specifically mentioned in SE. That seems more like a Flame Legion thing ala Citadel of Flame.<br /><br />Also, no dragon's doesn't mean that their minions couldn't be involved :) but I agree. After Karka I do not think we will see a new enemy. Just new arrangements of the existing ones.<br /><br />The story is far to slow and the effects not nearly as far reaching as I would like, so I couldn't agree with you more on that. It makes things seem inconsistent which drives me up the wall as it pretty much destroys the hope of speculating and guess as to what will happen next. Literally anything could happen next.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06525149260217843564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8558011570345628688.post-22371520241478381672013-02-12T05:13:36.412-05:002013-02-12T05:13:36.412-05:00Fantastic write-up! I knew most of the Charr side ...Fantastic write-up! I knew most of the Charr side of the story since I spend so much time in Black Citadel and the surrounding area but still some detail there that I'd missed.<br /><br />On the frozen merchant: trails of blood from the ears but no blunt weapon trauma would be consistent with the sonic weapons favored by the Dredge. <br /><br />On the Charr theories: the Charr blame *everything* on the Flame Legion. Maybe they are involved but I wouldn't assume they were the organisers - they're certainly opportunistic enough to take advantage of any disruptive activity within heir sphere of influence.<br /><br />Steam Creatures - I also thought they might be involved. I went down to their incursion point in Lornar's yesterday to see if there was any sign of a connection but couldn't spot anything. I'd really like it to be them but I'm as certain as I can be that it's not.<br /><br />Someone (Ravious at KTR maybe?) suggested it might be Destroyers. I hope not because I find them a bit dull and I had more than enough of them in GW1. They do fit the bill, though.<br /><br />ANet have said there is definitely no dragon coming in F&F but that clearly doesn't mean a dragon isn't behind whatever's going on. After the damp squib of the Karka I doubt it's a completely new factor we've never heard of. As far as I know, neither The Flame Legion nor the Dredge follow, worship or have any time for Dragons so if there's a dragon behind this it must be manipulating them subtly, which is what dragons do best.<br /><br />My reservations on this as a means of storytelling remain. It's developing far too slowly and in ways far too obscure to be apparent to any but the most dedicated investigator, like yourself. Having added The Heralds, at the very least they should be relaying the information you have collated in this post and directing interested parties to it, not just repeating the same two lines of vague rumor week after week.<br /><br />Most importantly, though, we need to see places we visit and use under attack. We need to see the wrecked villages from which the refugees are fleeing. It's not like there aren't plenty of small outposts in both Wayfarer's and Diessa that could have been used to show not tell.<br /><br />We'll see how it develops at the next update but at the moment it's hardly nail-biting stuff.Bhagpusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499162165023939880noreply@blogger.com